Karma is not real in a spiritual way. You would have to be a complete moron to believe that. S*** doesn’t work like that. It’s not some hocus pocus no nonsense. Same people who say that are the same people who intentionally cause s*** and then say “Karma!” No, that’s manipulation and eventually that will bite you in the a** in some way later. S*** flows down hill. It might cost you something. Someone saw you manipulate, it doesn’t look good, they see you in a negative light, essentially you are a cheater, you could lose that person. Their respect or them entirely. That’s “Karma”. Karma is not some all seeing entity that reaches down and kicks people’s a**, and anyone truthfully no b******* and honest, will ALWAYS find a way to “overcome” about anything whether you believe them or not. That’s just the way it is. It’s more like a “why goes around comes around” kind of thing. If you are real, nothing can touch to no matter what anyone else thinks, and if you are not a good person, it will come back to you no matter what anyone else believes. They could believe you’re a good person, but the reality is reality and it might cost you something if you are not a good person even if you are the only one who knows it, it might cost you something.